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28 October 2013 @ 12:58 pm
Why is Giles having his texts scanned?  
In the eight episode -  i, robot ... you, jane - why is Giles having his texts scanned? Jenny makes some comment about an index and a database but Giles hasn't gone near it. Given how much of a Luddite Giles is, the database is obviously not for him. He has no interest in using it at all.
 
 
 
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Beer Goodbeer_good_foamy on October 28th, 2013 05:33 pm (UTC)
I've never thought about it, but how about this: Sunnydale High doesn't have a principal at the moment (Flutie dead, Snyder not yet in town). So teachers can pretty much make up their own rules for a few weeks. So Jenny, being a technopagan and jealous of Giles' collection of occult texts, decides to invent the scanning program just so she can have her own digital copies of his books.

Which means the message of the episode is "E-book piracy is evil". 10 years before Amazon came out with the Kindle, even.
Dragon's Phoenix: Francine bliss facedragonyphoenix on October 28th, 2013 06:25 pm (UTC)
*laughs and laughs and laughs* "E-book piracy raises demons! Don't do it, kids." I can just see the commercial now. Awesome. And actually a plausible reason for why the books are being scanned. It also explains why Jenny showed up to check if the DB index was okay. ;-)
velvetwhip: Hush Willowvelvetwhip on October 28th, 2013 06:14 pm (UTC)
Hmmm... maybe Willow wants them scanned so she can access them from home.


Gabrielle
Dragon's Phoenix: dracdragonyphoenix on October 28th, 2013 06:29 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure Giles would agree just because Willow wants it though. The process has really messed up his library. Even a week later, if I'm recalling correctly, he still hasn't checked that one book long enough to realize the pages are blank means there's a demon loose.
Flippancy provided byil_mio_capitano on October 28th, 2013 07:54 pm (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they reused the big book of moloch as a regular prop in season 6. I remember shouting 'but it will be blank' at the screen and thinking Giles was pretty careless to let be all demonic again.

I would have to rewatch to tell you which episode though.

Dragon's Phoenix: dracdragonyphoenix on October 28th, 2013 09:17 pm (UTC)
*laughs* Now I want to watch S6 so I can look for that book! ;-)
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Devo79devo79 on October 29th, 2013 03:05 am (UTC)
Plot device.

Pure and simple *shrugs*
Dragon's Phoenix: dracdragonyphoenix on October 29th, 2013 03:30 am (UTC)
Well yeah, I know that. Thing is, I'm writing a season 1 fanfic and I wanted an actual justification.
Devo79devo79 on October 29th, 2013 02:17 pm (UTC)
Well, around this time schools started getting scanners. And public libraries started scanning those books that were of national importance (at least in Denmark).

I'm assuming that Giles had some very rare books. I don't remember if the books are being scanned for the school or maybe the watchers? If for the watchers it might be done to make the rarest books available to watchers around the world through some kind of database.
Dragon's Phoenix: dracdragonyphoenix on October 29th, 2013 02:48 pm (UTC)
I had actually thought it could be a Council move, scanning rare books. And wouldn't it be just like them to make Giles organize that for his own books, on top of taking care of the Slayer, rather than sending in a team to handle it for him. ;-)
Devo79devo79 on October 29th, 2013 02:56 pm (UTC)
Could it be that someone in the council wanted things to go badly for Giles and asked for that specific book to be scanned?

If they knew things would go to hell, they would have expected the situation to make Giles look like he couldn't handle his job as a watcher.

Maybe someone wanted to push Giles out of the way so they could get his job or maybe get better control of the slayer.
Dragon's Phoenixdragonyphoenix on October 29th, 2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
Oh my Goddess! That is an awesome idea. Giles is the big bad in this story so it could even be someone in the Council who has been hurt by Giles' machinations and/or who suspects Giles is up to no good.

Awesome, awesome, awesome.

Thanks!
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zooeys_bridgezooeys_bridge on October 29th, 2013 03:13 am (UTC)
As a librarian and archivist, I can attest to the fact that digitizing is a massive undertaking. It would have taken years and a lot of money to get a database up to anywhere near useful. All revved up though, it would be extremely useful to the Scoobies. How good was OCR software back in 1998? An index and keyword search would have been totally boss. I'm thinking about this way too hard.

(Jenny obviously wore the pants)
Dragon's Phoenix: Still Life Revivingdragonyphoenix on October 29th, 2013 03:34 am (UTC)
Hmm, lets see. Many of the texts were written in languages other than English, most of them likely in archaic forms of said langues. Also, the texts were handwritten, or a good number of them were. I doubt even today's OCR software would be up to the task. Lovely idea though and it would have been unbelievably useful to them.

And while I'll go along with Jenny wearing the pants, they were still sniping at each other at the start of this episode so that can't be why he agreed to this.
zooeys_bridgezooeys_bridge on October 29th, 2013 03:48 am (UTC)
True, though there are OCR programs for non-english text. and as long as a book is in the latin, it should still be searchable. true though that archaic textforms and more obscure languages wouldn't work. Scooby crowdsourced project perhaps?!

As for Jenny & Giles + pants, someone fic it! :P
Dragon's Phoenixdragonyphoenix on October 29th, 2013 04:00 am (UTC)
That really does need to be written. I'm busy prepping for NaNoWriMo.
zooeys_bridgezooeys_bridge on October 29th, 2013 04:10 am (UTC)
Maybe someone else will see the idea, cave, and do it :)
Dragon's Phoenix: dracdragonyphoenix on October 29th, 2013 04:21 am (UTC)
It could happen. That's how I got sucked in to writing Giles as the big bad of season 1 (story planning currently in process and probably on-hold during November).
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lucyclockwork_hart1 on October 30th, 2013 01:09 am (UTC)
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Yu huh! I could NOT resist that prompt.
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Dragon's Phoenix: dracdragonyphoenix on October 30th, 2013 01:14 am (UTC)
I'm not sure if you saw that Jenny & GIles + pants has been written. That was quick!
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