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16 July 2013 @ 04:20 pm
Angel, Season 5  
I've been lent a copy of Season 5 of Angel and am enjoying it more than I expected. One thing I'm not sure of though. If Angel and Spike had gotten to that Guardian guy, the one at the hole in the world, earlier, would they have been able to save Fred?

Wesley was upset with Gunn for not sharing info, and I can see Wes' point, but I'm not sure it would have made any difference by then.
velvetwhip velvetwhip on July 16th, 2013 08:50 pm (UTC)
So heartbreaking... poor Fred!

Dragon's Phoenix: eyes dragonyphoenix on July 16th, 2013 09:27 pm (UTC)
I know! I was totally crying.
starkat75 starkat75 on July 16th, 2013 08:52 pm (UTC)
Sad as it is, but they would have never been able to save Fred's life. She was infected and nothing would have helped.
The essence of the demon was eating her up until there wasn't anything of Fred left.
It was like Illyria said later: Fred's soul was shred into pieces when Illyria was re-born in Fred's body.
But deep in Illyria there are still some of these pieces left and so she is able to immitate Fred when her parents arrived in L.A.
And finally but only in the moment of Wesley's dead Illyria understands the meaning of true love.
Dragon's Phoenix dragonyphoenix on July 16th, 2013 09:31 pm (UTC)
That's what I thought too, but when Wesley stabbed Gunn, he (Wesley) said it was if Gunn hadn't hidden information they would have been able to save Fred. At least that's what I heard.

There also might have been an "if you'd gotten here sooner" moment with the Guardian, but I'm not sure. I'll have to go back and watch it again.

I am pretty sure if they'd brought the sarcophagus to the Guardian then they could have done whatever spell he had and saved her without killing anyone because the spell killed anyone between the sarcophagus and the Deeper Well. Of course by the time they knew that it was way too late.
spikesjojo spikesjojo on July 17th, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
It's one of those plot points that don't make a lot of sense - IMHO. If they had taken Fred to the Well then Drogyn could have sucked out Illyria without any issues. If Gunn had let them know that he signed the papers they might have been able to track back what had happened and take her to the well. As it is, it was after the fact which was a factor in Illyria.

Actually, if Gunn had been honest about his upgrade and signing the paper the entire incident wouldn't have happened.
Dragon's Phoenix: eyes dragonyphoenix on July 17th, 2013 02:06 pm (UTC)
if Gunn had been honest about his upgrade and signing the paper the entire incident wouldn't have happened. I'm not sure I see that. You mean they would have tracked down what the paper was for before Fred got infected?
spikesjojo spikesjojo on July 18th, 2013 04:41 am (UTC)
Yeah, confusing - sorry. Had he told Angel and/or Wes that he was asked to sign that paper as the price for an upgrade then both would know enough to be wary. I assume they would have found out what was being held up and stopped the arrival. This wasn't a W&H ploy or an SP ploy so Angel could have easily taken care of it without having to fight on several fronts.

Edited at 2013-07-18 04:42 am (UTC)
Dragon's Phoenix dragonyphoenix on July 18th, 2013 09:09 pm (UTC)
That makes sense. If they'd known it would have been more of a normal episode where they figured out the danger and fixed it before Fred had gotten infected, possibly before they even knew Fred was the target.